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This is a place where users can communicate with administrators, or administrators with one another. You can report vandalism, problematic users, or anything else that needs an administrator's intervention. Do not report child pornography or other potentially illegal content here; e-mail legal-reports@wikimedia.org instead. If reporting threatened harm to self or others also email emergency@wikimedia.org.

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FYI: Spam articles at Hausa Wikipedia with images here

Hi. Just to note that Hausa Wikipedia is getting a steady stream of articles created on Indian subjects usually businesses or people, and typically with images uploaded here. I am assisting the admins at haWP, and deleting the images here as they are spam or vanity spam. Each of the accounts is new and gets one or two edits. The typical rubbish we see for paid editing.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you mind nominating the images for speedy deletion? Trade (talk) 00:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Trade: Where I can identify that they are out of scope, I have just been deleting them, or if I think that another pair of eyes or multiple pairs of eyes, I poke them into the respective queues.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A checkuser was undertaken at haWP by stewards and there was found to be sockpuppetry at play. @Krd and Elcobbola: Would either of you mind contacting the stewards, getting the detail and see what abuse may have take place here. m:special:permalink/26163242 Thanks if you can.  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

VRT removal request

File:Estación de Cotos. Tren de la Serie 442 de Renfe. España, Spain.jpg (hist • logs • abuse log)

Please remove the unblurred version of the file per ticket:2024012510012205. Thank you! Bencemac (talk) 16:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bencemac, ✓ Done and VRT request closed. Kadı Message 18:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much! Bencemac (talk) 19:52, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What's the deal with the ticket? Usually we dont blur faces because of that Trade (talk) 23:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It was a courtesy request, fulfilled by the Graphic Lab. Bencemac (talk) 08:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Admin move request

Please move back Category:Aryan Ghasemi (1985–) to Category:Aryan Ghasemi, as it was an error (per discussion hereL Category talk:Aryan Ghasemi (1985–)#Move). The move needs administrator access due to technical reasons. Thanks, HeminKurdistan (talk) 20:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

MCGAMER YOUTUBE

MCGAMER YOUTUBE (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)

Anyone wanna tell me why this user were blocked for three months? As far as i know he haven't uploaded any copyvio since his first block --Trade (talk) 23:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To close the loop Special:DeletedContributions/MCGAMER_YOUTUBE and Special:blocklist/MCGAMER_YOUTUBE  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:45, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Taivo: was the blocking admin. Pinging them. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 00:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
✓ Done? I blocked the user due to request in Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems/Archive 110#User:MCGAMER YOUTUBE. Now I unblocked the user. Taivo (talk) 10:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ideas wanted to tackle Freedom of Panorama issue

Hello all, I hope this use of the Noticeboard is still legitimate (if not, I apologise in advance). We are looking for ideas to tackle the problem of media deleted because of Freedom of Panorama-related issues, and we're looking especially for admins and people who are knowledgeable in this issue to intervene. If you are interested, please join the discussion. Thanks in advance! Sannita (WMF) (talk) 17:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Has there even been a serious discussion as to how to organize the contributions of flickr users?

Has there even been a serious discussion as to how to organize the contributions of flickr users?

I can't remember when I started following the examples of other contributiors, and putting images from prolific flickr users into categories like: Category:Files from jqpublic Flickr stream. It seemed like these could be useful categories, as those flickr people kept making new images available under free licences. So, I started creating new categories, of the form Category:Files from jqpublic Flickr stream.

Then I noticed that some people had started to move categories of the form Category:Files from jqpublic Flickr stream to Category:Photographs from jqpublic. They were doing so:

  1. Without citing a policy, guideline, or discussion.
  2. Without using {{Category redirect}} to make the old category point to the new one.

In my opinion, this was never a good idea, for several reasons.

Some prolific photographers, including myself, have directly uploaded some of our images directly from our homes, have had some of our images uploaded from flickr, and have ho other images uploaded from other sites, like Panoramia. I'm an example. In my own case I think the best organization would have been to have had Category:Files from booledozer flickrstream and Category:Files from old York guy Panoramia stream be subcategories of Category:Photographs from Geo Swan. Category:Photographs from Geo Swan should not contain images that are in its subcatories.

I think I have seen other categories structures, for flickr users, in parallel, or in competition with the Category:Files from jqpublic Flickr stream hierarchy.

Influential Unix Guru Henry Spencer had a button he wore to Unix conferences that said, "The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many different ones to choose among.". Truer words were never spoken. We should have one standard for how ot categorize photos from flickr users.

My apologies if this has already been discussed, and settled, and I just couldn't find that guideline.

and now, what to do about it?

Ted Nelson said that the purpose of computers is human freedom. Sorting photos from flickr, or at least those that were properly uploaded to use standard information templates, should have an author field that contains a link to the original flickr person's original flickr-ID. And we could set a robot to work that could work quietly, in the background, and take care of making sure every image from flickr was in the category we agreed upon. Is there some reason we haven't done this? Geo Swan (talk) 02:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

At least one reason would be that I, for one, don't want a category that somehow singles out which of my images came from Flickr, and I suspect I'm not alone in that. (If there are no significant number of others who feel that way, I guess I'll yield, but I've always tried to avoid having what seem to me to be "vanity categories" for my photos. The only one at all that I have is a user category for my few videos, just because I wanted to have easy access to them myself.) - Jmabel ! talk 03:43, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I too didn't, initially, start a category for my flickr images, out of modesty. I think that is what you are saying here, right?
But, a Category:Files from jqpublic Flickr stream should transclude {{Flickr user}}, and so supply links to jqpublic's flickr photostream, and to their albums. That link to their albums is extremely useful. Many flickr contributors have some albums of private events, like birthday parties, that include few, or zero, in scope images, while other albums to exotic locations, are packed full of in-scope images. It's possible your flickr albums, similarly, are a mix of highly in-scope images, and less useful images, or images of no use whatsoever.
If modesty is your concern, could you allow the rest of us to take advantage of the album sorting you already engaged in, so we can pick from your most useful photos?
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 05:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anything on my Flickr stream that I consider likely to belong on Commons (about 10,000 images) is on Commons. Some of the rest I have not licensed in a way compatible with Commons (either because it is more personal, would not meet Commons' strict scrutiny on derivative work, or because when similar materials made their way to Commons I disliked the objectifying categories added to the images); the remainder because either they are artistic rather than documentary images, or if I took (say) 70 pictures at a concert by a band, there might be a couple that I thought were worth having on Commons, but I put the whole batch on Flickr. I know there are people who are so inclusionist they'd want every damn shot I took to be here on Commons, but I don't see any reason to encourage them.
For work I've put on both sites, it's close to random which they go on first. For work I first uploaded there I usually (though not always) do any copy with Flickr2Commons and then use VFC to batch-edit them to say something like "author=Joe Mabel, on Flickr as Joe Mabel from Seattle, US"; if I do a completely separate upload here but I did an earlier upload to Flickr then I'll credit along the lines of "Joe Mabel; first uploaded to Flickr on account Joe Mabel" so no one can mistake it for a copyvio. So I'm not hiding my Flickr account at all. I just don't see any reason to have a giant category (or several) for my work. - Jmabel ! talk 07:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thanks for the clarification.
Do you agree that anyone who moves a category like Category:Files from jqpublic Flickr stream to Category:Photographs from jqpublic really should leave a redirect? Should a category like Category:Photographs from jqpublic transclude {{Flickr user}}?
Once there is a consensus over how flickr images from prolific flickr users should be categorized, do you agree we should set a robot to make sure all of those flickr images get put in that specific category? It is currently well below 50 percent, maybe below 20%. Geo Swan (talk) 14:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I really have very little opinion on setting up categories for non-notable photographers. I'm not opposed to it, but I'd never put any effort into it. - Jmabel ! talk 22:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Geo Swan: There was a discussion at Commons:Categories for discussion/2020/08/Category:Files transferred from Flickr user rodrigoparedes. Now, it looks like I transferred all 1129 photos in Category:Photographs by Rodrigo Paredes; I only transferred 931 of them, and I am not happy about the difference (files transferred by Sturm). Category:Photographs by Flickr photographer is organized with differentiation by photographer fullname. Category:Files transferred by User:Jeff G. from Flickr is currently haphazard, sorry (my Category:Files transferred from Flickr user governadoreduardocampos was renamed to Category:Files from governadoreduardocampos Flickr stream as the result of Commons:Categories for discussion/2020/08/Category:Files transferred from Flickr user governadoreduardocampos based on names in Category:Flickr streams after I had created that cat and Category:Files transferred from Flickr user rodrigoparedes). Category:Flickr streams has 12 subcats (including Category:Photographs by Flickr photographer) and is also organized with differentiation by Flickr shortname.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 19:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The majority of PD-algorithm uploads by new users aren't AI. What should we do about it?

I've been working through the results of abuse filter 298 and the overwhelming majority of uploads are not AI art. Working through the last 500 or so (from January 12 through today), my back of the envelope estimate is:

  • 85% are non-AI images where the uploader is not the creator. These have been or will shortly be deleted as copyvios/no source/no permission.
  • 5% are non-AI images where the uploader is the creator. These often have both PD-aglo and another license until either they or a patroller fix the file page.
  • 5% are non-AI images where the uploader is not the creator, but the file can be kept because of PD-textlogo, PD-old, etcetera.
  • 5% are actually AI images.

Making matters worse, a lot of the AI images that are uploaded by new users aren't within scope. There is lots of debate about AI images and scope in DRs, but there's broad agreement that files with rendering issues so bad that the files can't be used on sister projects are generally out of scope, and a lot of the uploads are things like this clock with two Xs or this illustration of Shakespeare where none of the anatomy, architecture, or text makes sense.

On the one hand, Filter 298 is working exactly as intended, as patrollers are able to use it to neutralize a large amount of copyvios. On the other hand, I suspect that most of the time, people are just clicking the checkbox in the upload wizard because it's there and lets uploaders bypass having to answer other questions about the file's authorship. It being a prominent default option may be doing more harm than good.

Should we remove the AI checkbox from the upload wizard or delay where/change how AI can be selected as an option there? The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's as clear-cut a case as there could possibly be. 95% incorrect, and much of that 5% useless. The AI checkbox should be removed from Upload Wizard entirely, or at least heavily restricted (30/500 would be my vote). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:37, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@The Squirrel Conspiracy: Did your "PD-aglo" mean "PD-algorithm" or something else? - Jmabel ! talk 00:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I meant PD-algorithm. I use PD-aglo as a shorthand because I can't always remember how to spell "algorithm". The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sannita (WMF): in case you are not following this page, probably a thread you will want to follow. - Jmabel ! talk 00:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: still, if it is (as seems to be indicated above) an 85% accurate predictor of copyvios, it might be worth having. Sort of like the discovery of penicillin. - Jmabel ! talk 00:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Inappropriate caption

(Copied from COM:Village pump)

Last week, IP user User:196.188.120.153 edited the English caption for File:Ethiopia Plate of portable altar.jpg to say "ITS OFFENSIVE AND WILL BE PUNISHED". This is clearly not acceptable, but I'm not sure what should be done. There are religious sensibilities involved here. For some context, see this discussion on the English Wikipedia help desk, and recent edit summaries in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tabot&action=history .--ColinFine (talk) 15:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've reverted the text. I would suggest protecting the page and asking the IP editor to maybe discuss this reasonably first, or else simply blocking any suitable IP space. We might question how important it is to test someone's religious sensibilities like this, but "WILL BE PUNISHED" is a clear threat and I'm tired of those. We work by debate here (as badly as we are at that), not religious dogma. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd been wondering about that image, as well as File:Äthiopien_Tabot_Linden-Museum_90290.jpg, for reasons I've explained at the English Wikipedia help desk (linked above). I will note that this artifact no longer appears in the MNW's collection, or at least not via its website (link). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Added semiprotection for File:Ethiopia Plate of portable altar.jpg, added the other to my watchlist so if it needs to be protected, I can do so quickly. Abzeronow (talk) 18:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We might want a warning along the lines of the ones we have for Communist and Nazi symbols. Yes, I realize the case is not exactly parallel. - Jmabel ! talk 00:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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